:-), What, you mean you dont follow your patients around at work, giving suggestions? Ok, SH didnt invent this. The problem is, very deep into his 80s, and theres still chatter about him playing the action hero. I truly do love this show, but Burnham and Tilly are so damn annoying. 71 comments so far. ICYMI: NYCC Season 4 Trailer - TrekMovie.com Body shaming is wrong and immature. (laughs). And I just let the writers take me on a journey. Its shall we say very variable. Can Picard go round the sun once more and rescue Saru from Discovery? Where is this? It is not others right to tell someone how their body should be that sort of thing was done with slaves. Makes sense. In the latest Star Trek: Discovery episode, Sylvia Tilly ( Mary Wiseman) was tasked with . He was a cool character and one of the best things about season 3. But its the elephant we have in the room, these days. Overall, I like the fun character of Tilly (too bad the writers room made her first officer). Agree. Star Trek: Discovery threw a shocker into its latest episode as Lieutenant Sylvia Tilly decided to leave the Discovery crew. But the nu left that this show panders to cant accept any opinion that isnt in agreement with it so they try to immediately invalidate it. But dont those characteristics fit better on a younger character, while the older one grows up and changes? Keep up the great work ladies! Book is Han Solo. However, if we got to see Tilly gradually improve herself. She wrote ten books based around this concept and still writing them. Just mentioning few of their values. By: Laurie Ulster You mentioned that the rest of world laughs at America because of obesity. Somehow these insecure people feel others not like them are a threat to how they see themselves and how the world should, in their opinion, be. Keep up with all the news and reviews from the newStar Trek Universe on TV at TrekMovie.com. In her interview with TrekMovie last week, Discovery co-showrunner Michelle Paradise echoed these sentiments: Well never be done with Tilly. KevinB: Oh, I agree with you, in the sense that nothing is perfect and there are flaws and issues here and there. All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. I thought her arc was going to end with her being booted from the service for repeatedly failing physical fitness tests? Its participation trophy trek. The last novel just came out last year (where does she find the time lol). She never wouldve made it through the Academy. The doctor was usually the therapist. Shes supposed to set the example. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. I hope Mary Wiseman is okay or has a good reason for her weight gain since S1. And to have somebody step in and defend you is really meaningful. I always have to correct it, so its not terribly efficient. Me thinks that your issue is not that fans of nu trek are pandered to to feel better about themselves. KevinB: I let go of my preconceptions about what star trek is.. I am a therapist in real life, and even *I* think it was crazy that they had a therapist on the bridge. Have you ever read those? And how and how would your abilities be used in the Mirror Universe? After they wrote her to be the most annoying person possible. We want people to get their facts from reliable health sources, not celebrities, so saying actors should be sending some sort of fitness message is just backwards. The very basis of Star Trek is in direct conflict with people like that. Why does the therapist appear to outrank the CMO? Harry wasnt annoying. What do you mean? That finale appearance was basically a cameo. Patrick Kwok-Choon is the only one of the bridge officers that doesnt have another regular acting or producer/director role. The journey to discovering Tilly, the rescue puppy that would change our lives, began before she was even born. Rather than shaming them or acting like there are only a few kinds of women worth aspiring to be. She cant control her weight. Except that would imply that her being there was the exception rather than the rule. Fans need to stop being rude and act like gentlemen for once. While Im excited to get back to the 32nd century and see whats changed since season 3 Im still not excited for the season itself. Maybe its just me, but I dont really care about women or mens weight on TV shows, I dont care for negative comments on them by haters, but neither do I care for the actors/actresses making such a whiney big deal about it. Just when it looks like the character has finally grown as a person and doing her own thing, comes right back. Good for Mary! I even got a t-shirt that says DISCO on it, which prompts inquiries about my musical tastes of past decades when I was a twenty-something, lol. Everybody loves is an idiom, it should never be taken as a strict statement. I think Mary Wiseman is a fantastic actress..the writing for Tilly is an abomination. By the way, could of isnt English. I would prefer to finish the rest of Prodigy first season instead. Han Van Sciver and Mary Wiseman in At the Wedding (Photo: Marc J. Franklin), Watch Wiseman and cast and crew talk about the season four finale. That is definitely not a true statement. Nice girl but still jostling with Burnham as the most annoying character on the show. I dont see a repeated notion that DISCO saved Trek by heavily incorporating emotion into their characters. Is her awkwardness all that different from Ezri on DS9? All are Trek! Definitely a character created for the TikTok generation to like.. high five, hugs and ditziness with lots of over emotional feelings on display. Actress Mary Wiseman did a series of media . No one can be expected to sugarcoat reality for you, and your attitude to people who dont is very indicative that you need someone to help you with that. No, from Starfleets POV its 3 years. Barclays ticks do get really annoying. There is a wealth of other outlets for health and fitness information, that frankly are more dispassionate and factual than getting health and fitness info from celebrities. Im not counting on it. As I said Tilly has the same issues. Its all pretty subjective. There are a number of places you can receive professional help and I strongly recommend you seek that help. And for your own gain, right? Make it make sense! Star Trek: Discovery's Mary Wiseman and Blu del Barrio reflect on their character's journeys and the possibilities ahead. Personally I dont find that inspiring in any way whatsoever. Good points. Its far from just the United States or even just affluent countries. Im mostly just curious if Tillys removal from Disco came from Wiseman looking to do other projects or if they wrote it in and broke the news that she was getting cut as a regular. Only showing up for briefings when that specialty was needed for that particular situation. Well second most after Burnam , she was fine in season 1 and 2.past 2 seasons theyve rushed her character developmentsame with michael.the vulcan minded human became human real fast. Although there are speculations of Mary Wiseman's pregnancy, she is not. From what Ive read, having her on the bridge because of her betazed abilities was what Roddenberry had in mind. Because she symbolizes the Trekkies, geeks, nerds. Thats the whole point why they wanted HER to teach at the newly formed Academy They wanted someone with the original 23rd century optimism and enthusiasm I share that notion a lot And yeah, Im glad Starfleet doesnt work like actual military, And no, S3 was not stupidity. Her body shape is fabulousshe is gorgeous. I would encourage her to do the same. It took this for me to finally accept who I am. It explains why each scene is half-redundant and half-contradictory with the others within the same episode. Everybody does NOT love Tilly. Which I think would be a tremendous mistake. Doug Jones Transforms into Star Trek: Discovery's Saru | Star Trek Im proud to be here and I am proud to wear my skin-tight costume and proud of my body. I like seeing her in the series and like knowing that girls who are considered chunky by their teen or tween peers will know they can become something special and respectable, even if they dont have the ideal Hollywood body type. I echo your sentiments exactly, David. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. Not sure what the formal CBS/Paramount process is for publishing that kind of stuff, but the story was so detailed that I genuinely wanted to begin looking into it. Maybe having had to step up to the plate before she was ready I think she intellectually knows that she didnt fail, and that its not her fault that Osyraa took the ship, she didnt have all the information, but I still think the fact that that she took command and somehow lost the ship would be an enormous blow to her confidence and make her question a lot of stuff. But the characters are pitch perfect. So when Tilly became a teacher I was like, freaky coincidence but perfect!). It inspired her to switch careers. That said, the stolid approach to characterization has its benefits as well when an emotional outburst happens it can be devastating (see: Picards breakdowns in the likes of Family, Chain of Command, First Contact), but it also allows for subtler moments to have outsized impacts (Odo asking Garak to breakfast, Seven revealing her favorite color, Picards 1/4 smiles when no one is looking, Spocks eyebrow etc), which is also quite true to life. I do not endorse body-shaming in any way, as I was bullied as a kid years ago. Im reaally hoping season 4 will be smoother, Im holding thumbs here. Wiseman had other things to do. That will be the one I read first! The future doesnt have a preferred accent. They told us and a handful of other outlets what to expect for their characters and more. Im sorry if the idea of someone not like Discovery upsets you, but its unreasonable to expect people to change their minds for that reason. To be clear, my opinion on a show has no bearing on how it helped you at a terrible time in your life. Its a tricky one, as someone who is outside America and didnt have English as the first language growing up its more noticeable. This was her character and then had perhaps one or two incidents where she became a little more focused and then off screen came back a different person. Between Marys comments about how Tilly internalizes her experiences as acting First Officer and Captain and the fact that we see Gen Rhys in the big chair in one of the early production stills, does anyone think that Discovery might get Treks first regular series Asian First Officer? By indicating that shes not ashamed of her body? Shes beyond perfect with her line delivery. I just hope now that she has been made captain, all her baggage will be finally gone. I hope that Wiseman uses that info into the future because it does work for fat burning and muscle building.. That could explain the weight gain. Star Trek: Discovery Season 4 Episode 4 Recap Is Tilly Leaving? | TVLine Obligatory mention of the stupid turbolifts and how dumb they are. That is why you never saw councelors on any other class ship. She could of made it what we call General American/mid-Atlantic to neutralize it a little. I never felt that what has come before should define the franchise in the future. Understanding? Did Tilly on Discovery gain weight? Mary Wiseman: I wish there maybe in the future theres room for some protective best friend/boyfriend energy. Do I want to be Sisko or Picard or Archer then most likely yes. But the show almost seems to go out of its way every season for some of the dumbest story points you can think of. Diplomacy? Bullied badly as a child and teen so I know what I speak of; Im just glad I grew up pre-Internet, and I sympathize with any nowadays who have to deal with Internet bullying on top of real world bullying. Control over ones own body is the most basic freedom we should have. And second of all, just to dig into it, you dont always get to see a woman like me in that sort of position. You can absolutely argue that DISCO incorporates too much emotion with their characters (something I agree with to an extent), but I do appreciate how much more real these characters feel compared to past characters (especially in the early seasons of TNG). That was always the theory I had for Barclay. Thats not good writing, its oandering fan fiction, Starfleet is not military. It is also available on Netflix in 190 countries around the world. Mention one thing or person loved by EVERYBODY. 89. Such use is more overt in DISCO, but it is by no means out of the ordinary. As an actor of 20 years myself I can say for SMG that her acting ability is affected by her accent and delivery due to her accent . You made very good points and I do agree. It makes sense there would be and that they be a part of the medical team. Im not surprised people making mean comments, some people will find whatever they can that they know will upset everyone and say it. Shes changed. Is Tilly (actress) pregnant or unwell?? - The Trek BBS This was to reveal the true intents and emotions of the players in each plot, which highlights the role they play in momentous choices in high-stake situations. Even Picard has his own show. Heck I think it was more unrealistic when some chick was upset he wasn't ready for sex. Development for the fifth season of Discovery is well underway, with production expected to begin in June. He was in the Travis Mayweather category. He was non-military, the same height as me, and easily weighed 300#. Star Trek: Discoverystreams exclusively onParamount+in the U.S. I always felt that I wanted hips and a butt. "Hope springs eternal" was the central thesis for Star Trek: Discovery's Season 4 finale . Sonequa is by all accounts probably the best or one of the best chef de compagnie of all the Trek series. A statistical average does not justify shaming or ridiculing anyone. My only issue with Captain Killy is that she died that wonderful red hair blonde. I define me. Yes I forgot David Mack is a consultant on this show too and is well aware of all the post-Nemesis stories in the novels. Seasons one through three are available to stream now on CBS All Access. But my point was that she rarely conveyed anything useful or something that was not already obvious to all. Mary Wiseman: Well what is like the same root of Book but like the polar opposite expression of it? From the next episode on season 3 which was at least okay up to that point started to completely fall apart. There are admittedly quite a few other Starfleet officers Scotty and Riker, for example who prove that being chunky is still a thing in the future. Her character, Sylvia Tilly, has had plenty of opportunities to shine without giving anything away, and Wiseman has risen to the occasion. Why is that a command level position? I know everyone is different but for me, once I hit my mid-30s my metabolism slowed down, so I had to cut back on the amount of food I ate compared to when I was 25. Is Tilly leaving Star Trek: Discovery? Mary Wiseman's fate - HITC but it looks like she did simply did it because she was her friend and room mate. Thank you for your counter opinion. I could watch Tilly all day! Youre saying she isnt believeable because she sounds like she has a 21st century *accent*? And to get to see that visually, that was a very gratifying moment for me to see, Okay, somebody different showed up., Mary Wiseman as Tilly and Oded Fehr as Admiral Vance in Coming Home. I for one have always had to watch my weight and I still wage the battle to this day. Mary Wiseman is sending the message that your body is your own, your responsibility, and nobody elses business, not any sort of health and fitness message. Mary shouldnt listen to the haters and Sonequa, I never noticed she looked any different than she did before, body wise. And I know Chakotay was also Captain on Voyager in those books as well. I think Mary is doing a fantastic job as isSonequa, Their characters are fantastic as are all the others. In every real-life Trekkie community Im a part of, as well as most online, shes loved. Id add Kirk to that at several times over the years. It was so fun. I dont think Tilly is ruined. Where did all the good writers go?? With Discovery now firmly planted in the distant future, Paradise notes the importance of ensuring that that show remains connected to the larger Star Trek universe through well-placed references . David Ajala: Yeah, absolutely. He was competing in show jumping events with his horses until at least his 70s. Yeah, self absorbed is an excellent way to describe her character, Id never thought of it that way. There have been moments where they tried to do that, but like everything else on Discovery where self-doubt and emotional scenes of worry in darkly-lit rooms need to be front and center, they always seemed to bring Tilly back to spazzing out because she was nervous about whether she can do it before being put on a mission. Other ships having counselors in the TNG era was mentioned. 1:15. And CBS posted some images of Emperor Georgious quarters on the ISS Discovery. When Mary Wisemans Lt. Sylvia Tilly left the USS Discovery for a job at the new Starfleet Academy in the fourth episode of season four, it was promised she would be back. Waste of talent. Theres a difference between celebrating obesity and accepting individual human beings, treating them as human beings, and not targeting them specifically for emotional harassment. You are always very insightful. Thanks for the heads up about Beyer and the Voyager books. Cant believe some fans complain about character A or B or C. I am sorry, but the obsessive complaining about Sonequa/Michael or Mary/Tilly, for who they are, is so rude. The writers may love the character, but they also appreciate that the actor is a real person who might want variety in their career. Btw, I really liked the scene of Tilly and Burnham running back in S1 and eating protein, carbs and fat post workout. Its a problem in even some least developed countries now. I think the character would have been much better served if Tillys quirks were something that changed as the character grew over the seasons. Keep up the great work ladies! And others opinions dont factor in. Episodes will be available on Fridays internationally on Netflix. I believe we can thank Mack for helping the Showrunners and writers identify species that would work in Prodigy and for some deep cuts. Its 2020 and were taking any more of your sh!t. She served aboard the USS Discovery while still a cadet in 2256, later commissioned as an ensign . Unfortunately PICARD turned out to be set in the same period, so it derailed my plans, although later I did figure out a way to explain the considerable differences in the Prime Universe. Fan favourite is a bit of a stretch..quite possibly the most irritating character in Trek history I guess some people would rather the perfect people of TNG than anyone that mirrors back anything they dont want to see in themselves. #StarTrekDiscovery #MirrorLandry pic.twitter.com/Ed0nbToiQH, Rekha the leaves (@TheRekhaSharma) December 19, 2020. So I think Tilly definitely goes to employ those skills. Marys my TV crush for the last 3 years. There are characters you really cherish and others that are fun but ultimately nothing special. Fitness may be in the eye of the beholder, as hes commented himself that contempories his age have to hit the head just a bit more often.
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