In 2004 I orderd a Uberti 1851 Colt part from the very back of the Brownells catalog the Uberti part fit better than the original, with both parts out side by side the Uberti had better finnish, the 'ASM' part had tool marks and general over all rough apperance (probibly why Chat with us; Phone us at (616) 432-6640 . BORE IS GOOD WITH GOOD 36 Caliber; 60% blue, fair bore, good grips, 5'' barrel, REPRODUCTION OF 1851 NAVY REVOLVER. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. New in Box-never fired. WebAsm armi san marco 1858 Cylinder Pin #165 Pre-Owned $22.99 weimdog27 (722) 100% Buy It Now Free 3 day shipping Sponsored Armi San Marco MSM inc dual trigger set with adjustment hawken muzzle loader $150.00 eldorablerentals (1,449) 100% Buy It Now +$9.50 shipping Sponsored ARMI SAN MARCO ASMREMINGTON 1858BLUESTEEL Do put grease in each chamber after loading. 44 Caliber; 85% blue, very good bore, very good grips, 8'' barrel, REPRODUCTION NEW MODEL ARMY REVOLVER IN VERY GOOD CONDITION. And they still shoot just as straight and true as the originals. Now, if only I could get my wife to come with me and reload.oh well. Didn't Colt threaten to sue ASM because of they're use of a "pony" on the grip? View Item in Catalog Lot #242 (Sale Order: 241 of 708) Sold for: $120.00 to F****b "Tax, Shipping & Handling and Internet Premium Dear Mr. Nickel, I like to put some Bore Butter into the mouth of each cylinder on top of each ball. I taught my neighbors son (after he turned 18) how to shoot black powder with my 1858 and he fell in love with the revolver, so I gave him a new one for college graduation. In the case of a revolver it isnt nearly as serious as making a machine gun, obviously, but still illegal, ATF requires any receiver that takes modern manufacture ammunition to be given a serial number and registered, and must be someone who is legally able to alter and build firearms under state and fed law. I saw it sitting used at a local gunshop a few years ago for $250 bucks. Johnnie Roper. View more auctions here. Great article and comments, Which further compromised the already doubtfull Accuracy of the Colt Style revolver! There will be no records if you send a physical order and payment via U.S. Post Office, FedEx, UPS, DHL, etc. ASM attempted to revive its percussion revolvers with limited success and finally closed its doors several years back. Ive been thinking of getting one since I recently watched Pale Rider. BORE IS VERY GOOD WITH SHARP RIFLING. Actually, percussion caps come in slightly different sizes, as do nipples. You know youve got a good, airtight seal in the chamber when the mouth of the cylinder shaves a small lead ring off the edge as you seat the ball. Armi San Marco was a family owned gun maker in Brescia, Italy. The nature of the weapon makes no difference; one is just as deadly, and in the same way as the other. They thought if they started raising the price on their guns to in the, same range as Uberti that all the problems would go away. Most folks shoot them with charges down in the 20-grain range. The Tom Selleck Western (from a Louis Lamour book) crossfire trail, the last scene has a virtual plethora of late 1800 iron in use by both the good and bad guys. Got a pair of Ubertis, one stainless and one blue (Thunder and Lightning). WebRemington Rolling Block; Remington Lee; 1865 Springfield (1st Allin) 1866 Springfield (2nd Allin) 1868-70 Springfield (50/70) 1873-1889 Springfield (45/70) 1873 Winchester; 1885 Winchester; 1895 Winchester Lee Navy; Winchester Hotchkiss; Winchester Model 61; Winchester Model 62; Winchester Model 86; Winchester Model 90/06; Winchester Mounted Shooting 1873 Rifle Cleaning Instructions. I think if I was to get a cap and ball revolver I would look for one of the stainless steel Rugers. 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No record exists of his ever giving an Ordinary, Plain workmanlike Pistol, to anyone who might actually have to FIGHT with the badly designed piece of Junk!!!!! Years ago ASM had some fine artisans..the guns were good.ASM was under the direction of the Son in Law of Aldo Uberti. DO use a stout load. Click on the "Full Description" fore more info. They supplied American retailers with replica firearms over the 1960s thru 1990s. Remington. In the case of unfinished recievers, like when you buy a flat pressed AK reciever in the mail, it becomes a firearm for the purposes of the ATF as soon as one puts the first bend in it (at least thats the criteria for a prohibited person case to be made, such as a felon) Buying a conversion cylinder would be exactly the same boat legally, as ordering up a mil spec conversion kit for a semi-auto AK, its legal to have, legal to buy, legal to sell, but completely illegal to install. I do remember an article about this first revolver in that it was so exactly copied from an original that even experienced Colt collectors had difficulty in telling the prototype from an original. These models have steel frames with German silver plated backstrap and trigger guard, inspectors cartouche on grip, and trade for approximately $20-$40 higher than standard Lightning Manual. 1873 Single Action Manual. Mounted Shooting 1873 Rifle Cleaning Instructions. Any gun made before Jan 1 1999 i is an antique gun, and requires no involvement of an FFL holder. Take that, and cross reference it the list below. Excellent shape with no not for sale by BuffaloHunter4 on GunsAmerica.com the best online marketplace for buying and selling semi auto pistols, firearms, accessories, and collectibles : 972952045 They were in a nut shell, junk. LIGHT HIGH-EDGE WEAR NEAR MUZZLE. They are cheaper to buy, but the first time you put any Hot Loads through one, the Soft Brass Frame will stretch, and youll just have a thing that LOOKS like a gun, but all you can do with it is hang it on the Living Room Wall!!!! I have no idea how many guns Ive owned since my first .22 at the age of 12 but in the most fun category I could narrow it down to two. I am very pleased with what i got. Stainless steel octagon barrel with drift adjustable front sight, elevation adjustable rear sight. This version features improved accuracy. A) Armi San Marco 1858 New Model Percussion Revolver. WebThe 1858 Remington New Army is both a beautiful collectors piece and a rugged side arm. I have been cleaning black powder revolvers for almost 50 years. I love it. Same here, EMF Hartford 45s, circa 95-96. Like this guy. A friend of mine purchased a 1874 Sharps repo made by them a few years back for a Christmas gift for his son. Two were pretty good while the third and last was not. http://www.1858remington.com, a.k.a. Unfortunately, ASM also changed their name to Chaparral about the same time. He examined the gun and proclaimed it one of the good ones and made me a really good offer that I applied to a like new in box NMV. Allen then started Western Arms which became Allen Arms, and then to Cimarron. Estimated Price: $400 - $600. This version features improved accuracy. Contact Fingers McGee or Driftwood Johnson. A) Armi San Marco 1858 New Model Percussion Revolver. He carried a nickel plated 8 Remington 1858 and a peacemaker. The greatest going away gift I ever got in my 25 years in the Army was the Uberti 1873 with my name and callsign engraved on the barrel that the guys in my battalion gave me when I left command. 1885 High Wall Manual. That means that two Colt Peacemakers coming off the line 1 minute apart (11:59PM on Dec 31 1898 and 12:00 AM on Jan 1, 19 99, define the force of the law. If you want to make a guy worth killing, this should do it. To sum up, if you want a gun that you can use for Years, Pass it onto your Son, or maybe even your Grandson, buy a steel framed Remington Style Revolver from Either Pietta, or A.Uberti & Son, and with due care and respect, the gun will last several lifetimes! Youll love it! Of course, walking around with fully-loaded and capped extra cylinders on your belt or in your pocket can be a bit dicey. Thanks for clearing that up for me Steve, I do know however that the 74's made by the Chiappa are, having problems. A friend of mine purchased a 1874 Sharps repo made by them a few years back for a Christmas gift for his son. Easier to load and clean. The bucks are off limits. I know we are here because our forefathers were able to bring down food with primitive firearms. Red Coats Get Run Off. About 150 ft-lbs Energy 1883 Burgess Manual. Thanks. Stainless steel. Yup means I cant sell a converted C&B without using an FFL. Treat he hammer with the same respect you treat the trigger. THE FRAME , HAMMER AND RAMROD ASSEMBLY RETAIN APPROX 94% OF .45 Colt; 98% blue, near mint bore, very good grips, 7 1/2'' barrel, UBERTI REPRODUCTION OF A REMINGTON MODEL 1875 ARMY REVOLVER IN EXCELLENT OVERALL CONDITION. A pietta .36 target sighted Remington 1858 was a beautiful pistol but I could not get it to shoot accurately. I also had 2 spare cylinders. A friend of mine purchased a 1874 Sharps repo made by them a few years. Blue in very good 44 Caliber; very good+ bore, good grips, 7.75'' barrel, Pietta .44 caliber Remington 1858 style six shot black powder revolver in nickel plate finish. But, since we don't spin in SASS, it's not a problem I worry about. 36 BP; excellent bore, excellent stock, 9.5'' barrel, Manufactured in Italy. Of course it is one of the old ones which may be the reason. if you wish you can contact your local ATF to find your answer. The firing pin broke on the 3 or 4th shot. Bore inn very good condition showing some light surface corrosion. A black powder gun IS NOT considered a fire arm! Something went wrong. Price Realized: Details Payment Terms Shipping. Finish in very good condition with some scratches and nicks. swap out ok between the same model like the 1860 Army? Used, shows wear and handling, small dings in the area of the cylinder pin end. She just a rolls out inna ya hand! Chiappa (I visited them too) it a totally different story, rather "big" factory. I am no authority, but I believe I know the law on this subject. I would advise ANYONE beginning Black Powder Revolver Shooting, do NOT ever buy the Colt Style Guns, and steer WELL AWAY, from any Cap &Ball Revolver that has a Brass Frame! Regulators. Still have one that is now a back up. He took the gun back. Number of bids and bid amounts may be slightly out of date. ROFL, So nice to read about black powder stuff here. Tsk tsk. The standard pistol primer is an 11, but if it does not fit tightly and has to be squeezed to make it stay on, you have the wrong size. Exc condition, appears unfired. The Other Type of Percussion Revolver obtainable on to-days Market, Copies of the Colt Design, are by comparison A very poor second. There was no penetration, but the deer died where I hit it. The firing pin broke on the 3 or 4th shot. The percussion caps are a standard size. You have the names confused. This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. No, there is little if any chance "any" parts you currently see, other than springs, that would work in an ASM. Yesterday i shot my 1858 Remington 44 cap and ball that was my great grandfathers service revolver that he carried in the Civil War.He fought in Bull run the second Manassas battle and them on to Gettysburg His name was Thomas H Bourke. This version features improved accuracy. I had a pawl spring break on my late 1980's era EMF 1860 (Armi San Marco). Great article. But to me, it just seems that a black powder gun pushing a round ball does not have the ballistics to routinely be lethal on a whitetail deer. 1885 High Wall Manual. Armi San Marco was a family owned gun maker in Brescia, Italy. I've had to do very little fitting on Uberti or Pietta replacement parts - Hammer/trigger/hand/bolt/cylinder/loading lever. I had a few ASMs in the very early days. All you have to do is go inside of a gun made by them and you will see how bad it is. Pour boiling water down the barrel, than put a couple of dry patches down there, and your bore will be like the detergent advert! The .44 Remmington is a very strong gun. The firing pin broke on the 3 or 4th shot. The 12 month average price is $290.50 new and $284.87 used. THE BLUING IS NEAR FLAWLESS AS IS THE CASE COLORED FRAME AND HAMMER. With .40 grains of Black Powder I get about 400 ft-lbs of Energy. Of course, I didn't run them like the hot shoes. While the Colt has been called the Peacemaker forever, I don't think Colt ever used the name. -drop safety-Hammer- - Z52780, A. Uberti & C. 1872 Open Top Its trigger was lightened for target use, so its ridiculously easy to fire. Bluing on the barrel is in very 36 Caliber; 92% blue, very good bore, very good grips, 7.5'' barrel, Westerner's Arms 1851 Navy 6 shot revolver, .36 caliber black powder. Black Powder Revolver Manual. The patent date is 1858. 1860 Henry Manual. WOODEN STOCK IS VERY GOOD WITH LIGHT HANDLING WEAR 36 Caliber; 80% blue, very good bore, very good grips, 8'' barrel, REPRODUCTION NEW MODEL NAVY REVOLVER IN GOOD CONDITION.. I still shot it without the ejector, and got pretty good at ejecting shells with a nail on a leather thong. I am a bit of a traditionalist so I have 50-50 lard-beeswax that I put on cylinder after loading; cleaning is easy with hot water and Ballistol. But the website is easy to track sale prices through the year. Perfect for display and target shooting. Excellent shape with no not for sale by BuffaloHunter4 on GunsAmerica.com the best online marketplace for buying and selling semi auto pistols, firearms, accessories, and collectibles : 972952045 Most of the pieces are in a ziploc bag saved for what purpose I don't know. In 1993, the Hartford line was introduced by E.M.F. If you do this you dont need a wad. I have one of these which I bought after a whole lot of looking and reading. A great design of a pistol. Lightning Manual. WebThis conversion cylinder assembly will convert your 1858 Remington ASM, Uberti or Pietta steel or brass .44 cap and ball revolver to fire .22 cartridges. Colonel in Texas Army. I got my first 58 Remington in 1989 for Christmas ($99 from Cabelas). Web1858 Remington, Richards Mason & Open Top Conversion Manual. Actually it was because of the pony on the grips AND the name, Colt won the lawsuit. In 2004 I orderd a Uberti 1851 Colt part from the very back of the Brownells catalog the Uberti part fit better than the original, with both parts out side by side the Uberti had better finnish, the 'ASM' part had tool marks and general over all rough apperance (probibly why Had a cowboy smith smooth the internals so they dont chew each other up.ook mighty sweet in a pair of El Paso Saddlery crossdraw Slim Jims. Dont touch it unless the gun is pointing in a safe direction cause there is is no transfer bar. Bore and chambers in very good+ $395.00 Add to Cart Compare Pietta Remington Percussion - C55996 .44 Caliber 8in Blued Octagonal Barrel Brass Guard Walnut Grip Steel Frame Top Strap/Post Sights Overall Length: 14.5in Weighs: 2.75 pounds Model: FR18582 WHY CUSTOMERS CHOSE THIS ITEM Specifications Questions & The cylinder! Customer Service. Being a Cavalryman Ive always loved the 1858s, 1860s and 1873s. A recruit, playing (Hopefullly with an UN-Loaded revolver!) I was told by the Chiappa folks, they changed the Armi Sport name to Chiappa because of this confusion. Safety pins, safety notches, po-TAY-tow, po-TOT-owe. Having said this, I did take a whitetail a couple years ago with my 1858 Remington (standard max load per the Pietta manual). The 12 month average price is $290.50 new and $284.87 used. WebRemington 1858 Armi San Marco 44 Black powder loading and shooting 4,144 views May 17, 2015 37 Dislike Share Save Harri Miettinen 68 subscribers Subscribe Shooting He sent it back twice because of some minor issues, but its a nice gun for ~$200. Web1858 Remington, Richards Mason & Open Top Conversion Manual. Pietta and Uberti cylinders do not interchange. I am planning on getting one for my Grandson and maybe one for my Granddaughter. I lowered my ball size from .454 to 451 (pietta) and dropped my charge from 30 to 20 grains. Turned out the Chaparral "factory" was just across the street and run by the gun shop's son . Didn't happen though. Type: Revolver. .44 Cal percussion. I shot it again in the side and it stop rolling around. Armi San Marco first started making a Colt 1873 replica in the middle 1980s. .. when I first tried sass back in the nineties this brand was Quite popular .. now that Ive returned to sass after ten plus year, never here or see any thing , Just curious mostly as they been sit in in my safe for over ten years.. they were fun to shoot for someone who couldn't afford real guns like me STAN.